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Re: Now that SBux is leaving
Mar 2, 2011 9:40 AM
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Yes all is exactly true. The length of pours us very important. So much so part of Starbucks Barista training includes timing your espresso pours. The target was between 16-22 seconds. Anything under or over was dumped. Though sadly now most Starbucks have gone to the automatic espresso machine which creates a consistent shot but never a perfect shot.
And as I said our little bot can't hold a candle to the real deal but for a litte rather inexpensive single brewer it makes a pretty tasty espresso.
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Re: Now that SBux is leaving
Mar 2, 2011 8:56 AM
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Thanks for the information ; ) I am reading the T-20 has a a max of 3 bars of pressure, the T-45 and T-65 have a max of 3.3 bars of pressure. Whether those bars of pressure is steam driven or pump driven is debateable. Normally, pump driven pressure costs a lot more than what we have paid for our machines I was advised. What I have noticed is my regular cup of joe ie, Sbux Kitamu for example, has a much fuller flavor when I use my Capresso or Cusinart Grind and Brew, than from a T-disc. Don't ask, LOL, I have quite the collection of coffee makers and grinders. I've noticed this with other kinds of regular SBux coffees as well, not speaking expressos which I think require some pressure. Ok, that said I've had caps made from a friend's expresso maker, I think it was an upper line Saeco. He works part time at an expresso coffee shop and values his coffee much as I do. He has a beautiful machine all stainless steel at his home. What I was surprised about is how rich his expressos tasted using that machine. He used SBuxs expresso from whole bean and the resultant expresso tastes vastly different than what we get using SBux expresso T disc in our Tassimo; the Saeco produced an expresso that was not bittery at all and kind of thickish. I didn't know expresso could taste like that; very smooth. He is the one that explained pump driven vs steam driven 15 or so bars of pressure to me and how this effects the quality thus the taste of the brew. And something about long and short pulls; lost me there. He told me that if a machine has a maximum of 15 bars of pressure, when in use the actual bars of pressure are lower, sometimes as low as 7-8. So if our Tassimo have a max of 3 bars of pressure, the actual bars of pressure become lower when in actual use. Now I still can't say I can visualize this or understand what he was trying to say. And he wasn't knocking the Tassimo, he thinks the Tassimos are great for a quick cup of coffee or expresso. But the expressos produced are going to be vastly different using higher technology -- more bars of pressure and whether that pressure is steam driven vs pump driven. I find it very interesting and want to learn what I can. I do love coffee, and by the way SBux Cafe Estima also rocks ; )
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Re: Now that SBux is leaving
Mar 1, 2011 9:41 PM
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Bekka you are correct in a drip system pressure has nothing to do with the quality of the brew. Starbucks drip system is designed for the water to soak in the beans for a good almost 5 minutes to extract the wanted flavor.
However in the single cup brewer this is not an option. Most people choose the singe cup brewer because it is faster and cleaner then the drip. So to extract more flavor in a shorter amount of time, presssure is indeed important in a single cup machine. Essentially espresso is finely ground dark roasted coffee brewed in an extreme pressure for less then 30 seconds for an ideal shot. Tassimo doesnt quite achieve this, as the little bot doesnt quite produce the amount of pressure needed, but does create a fairly good espresso shot, even with some crema, though not near as much as you get from a true espresso machine.
I dont know the exact pressure that the Tassimo machine does produce, but the fact is it does produce pressure, and the design of the pod does create more pressure. Which in my opinion is what helps Tassimo achieve the rich tasting coffee that I enjoy.
> Wofsatz, a good grind and brew coffee maker makes a
> great SBux Kimodo dragon, Kitamu, sumatra, verona,
> columbian... would you like me to go on LOL ; ) And
> most often those coffees above that are in T-disc
> form actually taste better from a good grind and brew
> coffee maker, than what comes from the T-disc. Gotta
> remember although our Boschs are excellent machines
> the bars of pressure our machines are capable is only
> 3 to 3.3, depending on your model, or so its
> purported on some sites. For quality expressos there
> is some variability in using bars of pressure but the
> bars of pressure exceeds what we have in our
> machines. I can't seem to find any thing on the net
> about whether Tassimo is steam driven or pump driven
> which also makes a difference. That little bit of
> pressure does produce an acceptable expresso and
> crema of sorts, but I don't think it adds any thing
> extra for a regular cup of Joe. For regular coffee,
> my grind and brew is better for flavor and quality. I
> just don't want to make more than one cup all the
> time. For expresso drinks, the Tassimo exceeds my
> grind and brew. I hope our SBux barrista comes back
> on board to explain this a lot better than I ; )
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Re: Now that SBux is leaving
Mar 1, 2011 9:31 PM
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Look i spent alot of time looking for a single cup maker.
I dont want to make 6-8 cups at a time. I bought my T65 Xmas 2010 I could have got a nice brewer that rivaled what my T65 can do.
I have now spent $180 on a machine that no longer provides the coffee I wanted. Please excuse my frustration but for me it seems like I have wasted money. I was torn between a Technivorm and the T65 and becuase SBux and single I went for the T65.
Just very dissapointed and I have no clue what to do when I can no longer get "Fresh Sbux T-disks"
Again my other comment about the lack of creating a T-Disk that would allow me to grind my own.
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Re: Now that SBux is leaving
Mar 1, 2011 8:56 PM
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Bekka, not sure I agree with you on that one. I've owned two grind and brews and neither came close to the rich concentrated coffee that I get from the tassimo. Maybe I just haven't owned the right grind and brews, but just my two cents...
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Re: Now that SBux is leaving
Mar 1, 2011 8:26 PM
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Wofsatz, a good grind and brew coffee maker makes a great SBux Kimodo dragon, Kitamu, sumatra, verona, columbian... would you like me to go on LOL ; ) And most often those coffees above that are in T-disc form actually taste better from a good grind and brew coffee maker, than what comes from the T-disc. Gotta remember although our Boschs are excellent machines the bars of pressure our machines are capable is only 3 to 3.3, depending on your model, or so its purported on some sites. For quality expressos there is some variability in using bars of pressure but the bars of pressure exceeds what we have in our machines. I can't seem to find any thing on the net about whether Tassimo is steam driven or pump driven which also makes a difference. That little bit of pressure does produce an acceptable expresso and crema of sorts, but I don't think it adds any thing extra for a regular cup of Joe. For regular coffee, my grind and brew is better for flavor and quality. I just don't want to make more than one cup all the time. For expresso drinks, the Tassimo exceeds my grind and brew. I hope our SBux barrista comes back on board to explain this a lot better than I ; )
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Re: Now that SBux is leaving
Mar 1, 2011 2:52 PM
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> Simply put if Sbux is lost and since there are no
> T-Disks to allow me to grind my own SBux poof gone.
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> No more Tassimo.
> Hello Kurig and the "My K Cup"
So you are going to buy your own SBux and waste it down a refillable K cup? Why not just a regular Mr. Coffee instead? All the Keurig does is pour hot water down through it... don't need a Keurig for that. But oh well.. I guess you will more satisfied with the quality of your own brew.
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Re: Now that SBux is leaving
Mar 1, 2011 2:27 PM
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Simply put if Sbux is lost and since there are no T-Disks to allow me to grind my own SBux poof gone.
No more Tassimo.
Hello Kurig and the "My K Cup"
The ONLY reason I purchased this was for Star Bucks.
It is foolish that after 4 years of people asking for a T-Disk to allow us to grind our own with no satisfaction that I should even continue to use this single cup coffe maker.
Not real Customer oriented.
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Re: Now that SBux is leaving
Mar 1, 2011 1:30 PM
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The only reason I bought this type of coffee maker is because Starbucks fit in the coffeemaker. I am extremely sorry that Starbucks is leaving and no not all coffee is the same.  Try to get them back! CC
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Re: Now that SBux is leaving
Mar 1, 2011 8:27 AM
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Comrade Bekka, you forge that it is the Kraft Poliburo decides what guidelines to use and when to change them. You must remember, they do so for the betterment of Tassimo.
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Re: Now that SBux is leaving
Mar 1, 2011 6:37 AM
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That could be, and I believe it was my mistake. Someone here told me there is a clicker for "everyone" to read all posts, which I'm still not seeing when I go on FB. Don't understand how it changed from being able to view all messages, to not being able to LOL. Ok, Bmen, need instructions 101, how do I get to view all the postings again?
Bmen, I just sent you a PM.
Edited to add, I found the "everyone", clicked on it, and yes the postings I am speaking of are indeed gone. Host those postings were not bad. Angry yes, for very good reasons we've all been saying for a very long time. So are all the negative responses to the announcement going to be deleted and cleaned out? That's just not right! These postings had more to do with the fact, that the announcement was made as it was, "after" we all knew the possibility of Sbux separating from kraft was going on for quite some time. An announcement should have been made much sooner than it was. And those postings/responses were made after, many of us were told the Seattle's Best was being enhanced and/or repackaged. That wasn't wrong on the customers part, that was wrong & dishonest of Tassimo. There was nothing in those postings that wasn't supportive of our Tassimo brewers, most of the postings brought up the point we do have the best machines, but the company's responsiveness has not always been on the up and up with the customers, and progression is lacking. More responses from Tassimo sooner could have served to allay customers concern; if a more proactive part were taken on the part of Tassimo representatives. Ok, not the hosts, but spokespersons from Kraft. It could have been a win win situation for everyone. But taking those postings off the forum is only going to be thought of as taking free speech a way, and that Kraft
is trying to hide valid points made by customers that should be valued and respected, alluding to trying to make it look like every thing is great when its not. This is at a time when they should be participating actively and listening to respond with ideas for change. We all agreed Kraft could have been wayyyyy ahead of Keurig a long time ago, with just fewer choices, and Kraft could still come out ahead with the wonderful brewer we have in our Boschs by being proactive. We love our brewers and just want it to succeed badly. In the same token, we invested in a great brewer and want to be able to enjoy our brewers fully.
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Re: Now that SBux is leaving
Feb 28, 2011 9:31 PM
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> Also, I noticed on FB... someone took the liberty of
> deleting many posts from persons who were ardent
> Tassimo supporters and chagrined with Tassimo's
> handling of a belated announcement. Also, for not
> answering other questions we've been long asking.
> That is just not right to censor messages. There was
> no swearing and many of the post were quite
> professional. I hope this forum does not start
> kicking off members and censoring postings.
The posters MUST have violated Kraft's guidelines as pertains to Facebook; the company has not ever censored members' chat... only removed that which violated TOS. If you are curious about the Standards, the link is up above on the right (or here: Standards). I did not see the posts in question, but if everything about them seemed okay, then it's possible that they were off-topic for the post they were responding to.
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Re: Now that SBux is leaving
Feb 28, 2011 8:09 PM
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Here's what I was wondering on this - the last day of the contract. Did Sbux deliver a dump truck load of coffee beans that'll get packaged up and available to us until the Lavazza machine is available??? 
Could it be you're ONLY seeing the threads Tassimo started?
I replied to you in one of the threads with this -
at the top of the page under Tassimos 5 picture header, click on Everyone
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Re: Now that SBux is leaving
Feb 28, 2011 8:08 PM
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The actions by the Kraft Politburo sounds a bit cheesy.
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Feb 28, 2011 6:55 PM
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I still have high hopes Kraft/Tassimo will expand their line to include independent premium coffees, provide more choices for those who require decaffs & sugar/fat-free, and bring on more teas. I am still very disappointed and frustrated with Tassimo. I'd like to know why the european brands are not brought out of the closet???
Also, I noticed on FB... someone took the liberty of deleting many posts from persons who were ardent Tassimo supporters and chagrined with Tassimo's handling of a belated announcement. Also, for not answering other questions we've been long asking. That is just not right to censor messages. There was no swearing and many of the post were quite professional. I hope this forum does not start kicking off members and censoring postings.
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